OWNERSHIP: Kirland's diversionary tactic

["William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@yahoo.com>]

Norm, I congratulate you for the skillful utilization
of well known con-man techniques in diversion from the
specific point at issue--your non-standard usage of
common terms like Say's Law in complete reversal of
their ordinary meanings to "prove" anything you want
to "prove" to people who don't know better.  Rather
than support your quirky definition with a quotation
from a real economist--indeed, you could never find a
real economist who would support your definition--you
quote that esteemed authority, the very verbose Mark
Reiners, and a "paper" published in a vanity journal
that you yourself authored.

Wonderful.


--- "Norman G. Kurland" <thirdway@cesj.org> wrote:

> In response to Ryan's continued diatribes, here,
> with his consent, is 
> what Mark Reiners has to say about Ryan's abuse of
> the COG ownership 
> discussions:
> 
>     BRAVISIMO, Norm... how someone as obviously
> self-satisfied
>     and apparently convinced of his own erudition as
> this clown is could
>     remain so oblivious of this fundamental logical
> refutation of this
>     A+B non-sense for so long is a testament to the
> wonders of
>     what wearing conceptual blinders will do for
> you.
> 
>             MARK  
> 
> After I asked Mark to respond, he explained why he
> is reluctant to deal 
> with Ryan's poisonous character:
> 
>     Hi Norm:
> 
>     Oh, I suppose, I don't want to get sucked back
> into inviting or
>     engaging more of Ryan's nonsense and suspect
> that sending this to
>     COG would do precisely that.  You're certainly
> welcome to do so if
>     you want to.
> 
>     MARK
> 
> Many other intelligent and serious thinkers have
> unsubscribed from this 
> discussion group because of COG's indifference to
> Ryan's gratuitous 
> insults against all who disagree with him or oppose
> his hijacking of the 
> ownership forum to discuss Douglas' discredited
> theory.  No political 
> party in any country has ever implemented Douglas'
> National Dividend 
> Plan, while the distributive potential of
> broad-based capital ownership 
> for solving the problem raised by Douglas (a serious
> thinker, unlike 
> Ryan) has some proven political traction.  To the
> extent Ryan has driven 
> people away, COG has abdicated its responsibility to
> maintain a forum 
> governed by normal standards of civilized discourse.
> 
> Here again is a paper published in the scholarly
> Journal of 
> Socio-Economics that refutes Ryan's charge of
> "quirky" economics.  
>
(http://www.cesj.org/binaryeconomics/price-money.html)
> 
> Norm Kurland
> 
> William B. Ryan wrote:
> 
> >Moulton mischaracterized Douglas's A+B theorem, and
> >YOU mischaracterize Say's law to mean something
> quite
> >different than what Moulton meant by the
> term--thereby
> >mixing apples with oranges.
> >
> >Say's law is called a law by economists due to its
> >allegedly automatic nature, that demand allegedly
> >automatically equates to supply.
> >
> >You, in your typically quirky "binary" Kelsoist
> >oddball definition, redefine Say's law to mean that
> if
> >we consciously manipulate things in such a way
> >suggested by the Kelsoists, demand will equate to
> >supply.
> >
> >So, when you use commonly understood terms like
> Say's
> >law, they mean something quite different in your
> >peculiar language.
> >
> >Therefore, in your con game, you can "prove"
> anything
> >you want.
> >-
> >
> >
> >
> >--- "Norman G. Kurland" <thirdway@cesj.org> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Dr. Harold Moulton, president of the Brookings
> >>Institute during the 
> >>Depression, offered the clearest statement (see
> >>below) I've seen to 
> >>explain why no nation would ever substitute Major
> >>Douglas' A+B theorem 
> >>for Say's Law.
> >>    
> >>
> >[snipped]
> >
> >

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